Vander Wal on T'rati tags and cross-culture tagging

Thomas Vander Wal made a couple of great points about tagging on the IAI list today:

What Technorati is doing is what Cory Doctorow labelled Metacrap.

Technorati tagging is a gory mess, it adds little value, it captures a variety of tagging (and decidedly non-tagging -- commercial weblog tools have their categories counted as tags by Technorati) practices with various points of view and gumbles them up. It could even be worse than Metacrap. I have talked with them a fair amount about how to approach fixing it and time will show if they have an interest.

And this part about how folksonomies could help resolve language issues was also good:

There is a problem in Europe and with the rest of the world that folksonomies help resolve, it is a cross-cultural tool. It easily leverages the language of those tagging from one culture and uses the object being tagged as a pivot to find other cultures vocabulary for similar objects. Folksonomies are quite a popular tool in non-parochial Amerian eyes. They help greatly with findability.

The key piece is that the folksonomy tools are broad folksonomies so people can pivot.

I wish I would have brought this up when someone asked me about tagging and mulitple languages at Access 2005.

Comments

I dunno. I agree that findability is the most valuable goal, but I think some of this stuff is just "fun" as means, not as ends.

People like creating links in their social networking sites, even if those links aren't useful. People like sorting their albums alphabetically, or organizing their hockey cards. Or stamps.

It's fun to tag items.

Obviously this whole issue is populated by some very smart and thoughtful IA types, I just wanted to throw a different perspective in based on this and the last post.

I would like this stuff to work better. I would like to find more stuff more easily and have more people find my stuff more easily. But even if what's there now is mostly broken, it's "fun" (and by that I mean there is an emotional component that isn't logical) to think of tags and to add 'em to something. It's another channel for communicating, as well as a vicarious connection with other readers.

Posted on Oct 19, 2005
splat says...

What you're saying, if I interpret correctly, is that bad usability or poor information architecture is acceptable if that's what the user wants. If that's what you're saying, I agree completely.

Sometimes, in the quest for good usability, some designers forget to consult with the user on their wants and instead prescribe 'best practices' onto them.

Posted on Oct 19, 2005
Gene says...

Steve - I agree, and that's something I've been thinking about quite a bit. I don't think del.icio.us does any one thing particularly well (even the refindability piece is mediocre, IMO).

And yet there's a kind of magic in it. All your friends are there, you're sharing these pieces of net culture (or programming, or whatever your thing is), and it *is* fun. This folksonomy talk really misses that point.

Posted on Oct 19, 2005

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